https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-samsung-patent-trial-puts-designers-hot-seat/

The verbal sparring began in earnest Wednesday between Samsung lawyers and Apple witnesses as the two tech titans got to the heart of their dispute over how much Samsung must pay Apple for patent infringement.

Two Apple expert witnesses -- industrial designer Alan Ball and graphic designer Susan Kare, who designed the icons for the original Macintosh computers in the early 1980s -- agreed with Apple's view of the matter. But Samsung attorneys managed to extract some limited acknowledgements from the two that the lawyers doubtless hope will help steer jurors toward its way of thinking.