https://www.recode.net/2018/3/26/17162330/transcript-author-relationship-expert-esther-perel-recode-decode-south-by-sxsw-sex

On this episode of Recode Decode, hosted by Kara Swisher, sex and relationship therapist Esther Perel talks onstage with Kara at South By Southwest 2018. Her new book “The State of Affairs” sets out to change the popular conversation about sexual infidelity, but she says many partners are cheating on each other with their phones.