https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/m7g7px/mark-zuckerberg-tells-joe-rogan-that-running-facebook-sucks-metaverse-is-better

On Thursday, two men famous for running gigantic platforms that host disinformation and conspiracies talked together on a podcast.

Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of Meta and the man behind Facebook, and Joe Rogan talked for close to three hours in a wide-ranging conversation on Rogan’s podcast that focused on virtual reality, social media censorship, and the politics of a divided America. In the middle of the conversation, during a moment when the pair were discussing disinformation, Zuckerberg claimed Meta spent $5 billion last year on combating disinformation and other “defensive” work at the company.